Pirates Aren't Just On the Water or Why Livenation is Now Dead to Me

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A week ago I went to the NIN/JA tour, a farewell tour for Nine Inch Nails and a reunion tour for Jane’s Addiction. As I sit and reflect on just how good the show was, and it was great, I am still, a week later, having to lean to one side due to the enormous chunk of my ass that is missing from the ticket price. I loved this show but I paid far more than I should have and it still stings. I have been sitting on this article for awhile, partially to try to give myself extra cushion, but partially to see if my anger for the vicious fucking by ticket that my anus was treated to would subside or die down into that dull roar that is essentially the soundtrack/background noise to my life but it has not.

Now I know with that kind of set up you are probably left with a stomach twisted in knots to hear just how much Livenation, the ticket vendor,  stole from me like a mugger in a back alley. I feel like Bruce Wayne after seeing his parents gunned down for his mom’s pearls. I want revenge. Of course rather than dress in tights and fight crime I am just going to go ahead and bitch online. I don’t need to add broken bones to the shattered remains of my spirit and naive belief that a company might not try to gouge honest Americans of their hard earned dollars in the midst of such challenging economic times.

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So here it is. I paid $20 a ticket. Well technically 19.91 but close enough. Now sure, you are probably going ‘Alright asshole, what is the deal? 20 bones for two alternative legends is a great price and you should be happy they let you in the door!’ I get that. I think $20 is a great price for this show. It was incredible. It was probably NIN’s best set I’ve seen and I’ve seen them five times. So why am I complaining? $19.91 is what I paid. The actual ticket price was-wait for it-$7.66

I am going to give that its own sentence.

I paid $20 for a $7.66 ticket.

So for those of you playing along and home, that means that I paid just under twice the actual ticket price in service fees. That is fucking criminal. Now again, if the ticket price was $20 full stop, I would have no problem paying that for this show. I would have paid a lot more. But I feel like I have really been had here. I have never felt so fleeced in all my life for $20 and I bought Brokeback Mountain without seeing it first (it isn’t because they are gay, it is because the movie showed things that should have been in a montage and skipped over parts that would have actually been interesting). A friend of mine was a bit slower with the ticket purchase and she had a $2o face price. She paid $34.

Let’s break it down here and see what sorts of fees we are dealing with. I mean, I want to be fair and you might be thinking that the fees were justified, that maybe everyone needs to be tightening their belts and jacking up the prices to continue to bring us entertainment in a time of severe ecconomic recession. Okay, fair enough, here it is: Ticket Fee-$6.25, Parking Fee-$6. Now, taken seperately, these don’t sound that bad or unreasonable. Sure they are roughly a dollar and some change less than the actual ticket price but whatever. Bullshit.

First and foremost, what the fuck is a ticket fee? I assume it is a processing fee or service charge but anyway you slice it that is a ‘extra shit tacked on so we can make some money.’ Now sure, the ticket service should get theirs for the show and their cut probably isn’t all that much off of the overall ticket sales. But you know, and maybe I am getting into semantics here, but don’t call it a ticket fee. The ticket fee should be the price of the ticket.  In fact, this should just be incorporated into the ticket price if you want to charge me a ticket fee. Don’t bait and switch me with an extra $6 after I have already agreed to get everyone tickets.

Sure, sure, if they did that less people may go but for a big marquee show like this, you could charge $75 and people would pay. Hell Coldplay charges $120 for shitty seats and people show up to the arena. You are going to get paid if you have a big act coming, you don’t have to be all deceitful and like the Federal Government. So don’t hand me a ticket fee after you’ve suckered me in. I honestly can’t believe this sort of thing is legal. I know it is, but I just don’t see how. At the very least it is disingenuous.

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Now to the parking fee. It seems like the parking fee is easier to justify right? You are getting something for it and parking fees are always an extra expense when you go to a show. A parking fee is for convenience. You show up, you park, it is all good. That is fine. And if I were the only one in the car that would be just peachy. I bought 5 tickets and had four other people with me. We all paid $6. That is $30 for a parking space. That was five dollars less than a t-shirt at the show.

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Again I have no problem paying for parking. Well, I do, and in cases where it is possible I like to park really far away for free and walk in. I would rather get some exercise than pay extra money so my car can occupy space. But in this situation, I don’t have a problem paying for a space. I do have a problem paying the price of a Blu-ray for it. The way I see it, the venue owed us five parking spaces. Right up until we parked my friend Jeff was lobbying for parking sideways and then setting up flares in the spots that my SUV won’t cover.  I don’t think it was a bad idea but the guy with the orange flag that was directing me to my space probably would have protested and I didn’t want to be ejected before I even got to see Street Sweeper Social Club.

When we got into the venue there were posters all around saying that you should carpool to the venue because it is better for the environment. I assume that the environment of which they are speaking is that of venue’s wallets because that is what is getting lined here. Right there it is proof positive that they KNOW that people are going to be showing up in groups and that $24 of that $3o is going straight to profit.

There needs to be some way to sort that out when you are on the website buying groups of tickets. I know that the counter-argument to this is that people can lie, but you know if the venue can steal then I can lie. I understand that, like the ticketing services, the venue needs to make money but given the fact that a large beer is $8 and nachos are your first and third children, I doubt the venues are hurting terribly much. That being the case, I think the best way to do it is just to do what they used to and charge a flat fee at the lot. That is what is fair. Or, again, incorporate the parking price into the price of the ticket overall.

I heard that Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) chose Livenation because of Ticketmaster’s well storied egregious fuckings of ticket buyers and he found Livenation’s policies and charges to be more fair. If that is true I imagine that Ticketmaster must rape your mom in front of you while punching your dad in the balls while a henchmen holds you in a half-nelson and a third strip mines your bank account. Then they send a video tape of the proceedings to your girlfriend or little sister.  I looked up ticket prices for the upcoming Green Day show which is being handled by Ticketmaster and while there was a service fee, the prices were much less ridiculous and not even close to twice the face price on the ticket.

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I am not sad I saw the show, it was great. NIN was awesome and Dave Navarro is a fucking monster on guitar. I wish I could have used an alternate vendor for the tickets though. I would really like to speak with my wallet on this and show Livenation how much I think they suck by not buying the tickets, but when it is the farewell tour of one of your favorite bands, AND Tom Morello’s new band is playing, they kind of have me over a barrel. How are you not going to see the show?  Moving forward, however, I intend to shout it to the mountain tops and go out of my way to not use Livenation again. I doubt they will ever notice but it makes me feel better. I hope bands in the future recognize the ridiculous gouging and discontinue their use of the service. As Billy Mays might say, ‘There’s got to be a better way!’

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Oh and just for completeness here is my receipt for the transaction:

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Nine Inch Nails / Jane's Addiction at Cricket Wireless Pavilion
05/15/09 7:30 PM
Cricket Wireless Pavilion PHOENIX
Number of Tickets:
5 Adult

Lawn Special
Section GA LAWN, Row G63, Seat # 59
Section GA LAWN, Row G63, Seat # 60
Section GA LAWN, Row G63, Seat # 61
Section GA LAWN, Row G63, Seat # 62
Section GA LAWN, Row G63, Seat # 63

Tickets: $38.30
Parking Fee: $30.00
Ticket Fee: $31.25
Total Ticket Charges for Event: $99.55

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Ticket Charges: $38.30
Ticket Fees: $61.25
Delivery Fee for order: $0.00
Total Charge: $99.55

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8 Comments


  1. Did you hear that LiveNation is now promoting “No Service Fees Wednesdays” this summer. Apparently, tickets purchased on specific Wednesdays will not have any service fees — at least that is how a semi-reasonable person would likely interpret the promotion. There is only one problem: people discovered that tickets bought under this promotion still contained service fees:

    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2009/06/03/live-nations-no-service-fee-wednesday-puzzles-buyers/

    I always find it interesting to hear how they try to spin this…

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  2. I really hope that more people start to notice this too. It would be nice if there was enough of a backlash to their policies to change them. I can’t believe they are actually trying to float ‘It saves time at the venue’ for the parking fee. I would much rather wait in line and hand someone $6 for my car full of people than park right away and be out $30. This No Service Fees Wednesdays also kind of goes to show that their fees aren’t at all necessary because if they expect to make money off the tickets and they expect a lot of people to buy on those days then they must be able to make money without service fees…oh yeah I guess that is the extra money they are picking up from excess parking fees. Jesus.


  3. Pat I feel your pain, and for the record Ticketmaster is not the saint they appear to be when compared to Livenation. It’s just that they have learned since being burned big-time by the feds to back off of some of their more egregious practices in the past. For example:
    It was revealed that throughout the 80’s and 90’s that Ticketmaster was finding complicit venue owners/management and promoters by way of the good old fashioned kickback. A good example of this were the 2 biggest venues in the Washington D.C. area back in my day, RFK Stadium and the Capital Centre. In return for a cut of the ridiculous fees attached to tickets the promoters and venue management (who in this case were one and the same!) would guarantee that no competing venues in a given area would/could book shows in that area for a particular act. A good example of this would be Billy Joel or the Grateful Dead. Not your kind of music but just follow me. They knew each act would book at least two more shows because the first one would sell out in a matter of hours. So they would tack on unscheduled/additional appearance fees for each additional show to the price of each ticket, to be shared between the ticket service and the promoter/venue manager, each more than the last. This kept cheaper outdoor venues like Merriweather Post Pavillion west of Baltimore out of the loop and guaranteed their market. It was the latter of the two that finally tripped up Ticketmaster when they actually started taking over the management end of the venues which in all honesty they had been doing all along. They tried to hide it; The Capital Centre changed hands on paper with the same management in place and was renamed USAir Arena, and they tried to make their control of RFK official with a so-called contract with the city of Washington D.C. The feds weren’t fooled and smacked Ticketmaster with a big old antitrust suit, forcing them to relinquish control of the promoters and venues all up and down the East Coast and pay an 8-figure fine. The cool thing about this is it was a hardworking roadie who realized that he and his buds weren’t getting the percentages they were promised on paper (they were paying a work guarantee service chgarge!) that brought Ticketmaster down. How cool is that?


  4. I really think so too. I have been surfing around the web for a while today, and its really hard to find anything entertaining to read on blogs=P Maybe thats because there are too many of those around =) But this place actually keeps catching my attention. Great posts, and cool design ^__^. Ill be sure to give it more time now =P


  5. I can’t think of a good comment =( Just wanted you to know i was here =P


  6. I can’t think of a good comment =( Just wanted you to know i was here =P

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